The following are key excerpts from a series of posts made on
a Bible discussion forum by a fundamentalist Christian who has
repeatedly claimed that there can be no doubt that the Bible is
the infallible word of God and that Jesus is Lord and Messiah.
However, based on the statements this Christian makes, it turns
out that there is enough wiggle room in the infallible word of
God to claim just about anything, while pretending it represents
some type of ultimate authority.
The issue under discussion centers on the two contradictory
genealogies of Jesus presented in the Bible.
The two versions of the genealogy are found in Matthew 1
and Luke 3.
Jesus had no biological father, and this presents some problems
if he is to be a valid Messiah paternally descended from David
and Solomon, as Old Testament prophecy stipulates.
This Christian is operating under the assumption that the
genealogy in Luke 3 is really the bloodline of Mary.
Christian:
I still haven't seen how Jesus is disqualified.
Mary was "of the House of David" therefore so was
Jesus.
Commentary:
This is quite an assumption coming from someone who claims there
can be no doubt that the Bible is the infallible word of Almighty
God.
The Luke 3 genealogy never mentions Mary anywhere in it or
in the surrounding text.
There is no scriptural support for the claim that Mary was
"of the House of David".
There is no genealogy of Mary, or of any woman, identified
anywhere in the Bible.
Kingships and titles are passed exclusively through males
and tribal affiliation is assigned by paternal genealogy(Num
1:18), not through maternal genealogy.
Num 1:1-2,18
And the LORD spake unto Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, in the
tabernacle of the congregation, on the first day of the second
month, in the second year after they were come out of the land of
Egypt, saying,
Take ye the sum of all the congregation of the children of
Israel, after their families, by the house of their
fathers, with the number of their names, every male by
their polls
And they assembled all the congregation together on the first day
of the second month, and they declared their pedigrees after
their families, by the house of their fathers,
according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and
upward, by their polls.
Even if the Luke 3 genealogy could somehow be twisted into
a genealogy of Mary, the Messiah must also descend from David's
son Solomon.
1 Chron 28:5-7
And of all my sons, (for the LORD hath given me many sons,) he
hath chosen Solomon my son to sit upon the throne of the kingdom
of the LORD over Israel.
And he said unto me, Solomon thy son, he shall build my house and
my courts: for I have chosen him to be my son, and I will be his
father.
Moreover I will establish his(Solomon's) kingdom for
ever, if he be constant to do my commandments and my
judgments, as at this day.
The Luke 3 genealogy passes through Nathan and not
Solomon, rendering it an invalid vehicle to produce a valid king
Messiah.
Christian:
How else can you have 'seed of David' and 'virgin birth' at the
same time?
Commentary:
This represents the essence of fundamentalist Christian thinking.
Since the Bible must be the infallible word of God, there
can't be any contradictions.
Mary must have descended from David because there is no
other way to biologically connect Jesus to David as required by
scripture(Psa 132:11-12) to be a valid Messiah.
Regardless of what the actual scripture says, Mary must be
descended from David and the Luke 3 genealogy must
be about her because it's the only way to solve the problem.
Unfortunately, this conclusion has no scriptural support and
ignores God's stipulations regarding bloodlines, kingships, and
the Davidic line.
Christian:
In the Matthew 1 genealogy, Joseph, the adopted father of Jesus
was of the house of Solomon, therefore technically so was Jesus
even if his mother's mother wasn't.
Commentary:
Technically, no such thing is true.
Adoption doesn't connect Jesus to David and Solomon by blood,
which is required by scripture.
Psa 132:11-12
The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from
it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon
thy throne.
If thy children will keep my covenant and my testimony that I
shall teach them, their children shall also sit upon thy throne
for evermore.
The Matthew 1 genealogy also contains a cursed(Jer
22:29-30) king(Jeconiah) and none of the descendants of this
cursed king could ever sit on the throne of David.
Joseph himself was disqualfied from sitting on the throne.
Christian:
I see the fact that Jesus' relationship to Joseph made Him his
and therefore Solomon's legal heir and at the same time fulfills
the promises that since King Jeconiah was cursed, Joseph's
'blood' line could never be king, as powerful poetic irony.
Anyway, I see no "pitfalls" at all.
We find that Jesus was descended from David naturally through
Nathan(Luke 3)and legally through Solomon(Matt 1).
In fact, the deeper we go into this pitfall the more
we see the pure beauty and perfection of the Bible.
Commentary:
Well of course this Christian sees no pitfalls at all.
However, the so-called "beauty and perfection" claimed
here doesn't rest on the Bible, it rests on the unsupported,
contrived assertions this believer has offered in order to make
the problem go away.
They can't support the assertion that the genealogy of Mary is
given in Luke 3.
As noted earlier, Mary's name doesn't appear anywhere in the
entire chapter.
The actual scripture of Luke 3 records Joseph as the son
of Heli, and not the son-in-law of Heli.
Luke 3:23
...Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
The apologetic tactic used here attempts to assert that although
Luke records Joseph as the "son" of Heli, it
really means "son-in-law" of Heli, which would
make Heli Mary's father and the genealogy can then be claimed to
represent her bloodline instead of her husband Joseph..
Rewriting the text of the Bible in Luke 3 is the
cornerstone of this rationalization.
This believer has also managed to concoct their own bastardized
requirements for a kingship, complete with a new set of
regulations that allow them to circumvent God's rules and
promises.
This believer wants adoption to count if it can pass a
kingship to Jesus but doesn't want adoption to count if it passes
a curse that would invalidate Jesus to be a king.
All that's needed is to claim that certain verses don't really
mean what they say.
Any holy book can be made "perfect" and any Bible
problem reconciled when a believer rewrites the text according to
their personal specifications.
Christian:
We have the original text as penned which passed the scrutiny of
those living at the time, who knew the facts and understood that
the 2 genealogies represented one for Mary, the other Joseph.
I can't tell you what to believe and vise-versa (thank God) but
personally I have no problem picking the later, the most logical.
I see no pitfalls.
Commentary:
In other words, because the Matthew 1 and Luke 3
genealogies of Jesus appear in the Bible, they cannot possibly
contradict each other. The texts in the Bible have all passed
"scrutiny".
The councils of clerics that voted the writings attributed to
"Matthew" and "Luke" into the Bible were not
even alive when the actual events were supposed to have occurred.
When a group of church clerics gets together, why is it
automatically assumed that they have no personal agenda or that
they are not being lobbied or pressured by outside influences to
vote a particular writing as canon?
Under conditions of political pressure and lobbying, why should
anyone assume that the scrutiny of church clerics was immune from
bias? The writings in the Book of Mormon also passed the
"scrutiny" of it's church leaders.
Does that make the Book of Mormon the word of God too?
The author of Luke even admits at the beginning of his Gospel
that he was not an eyewitness to events but obtained his
information from others(Luke 1:1-4).
The author of Luke states that he had a perfect understanding of
events yet manages to contradict the author of Matthew in several
areas, including the genealogy of Jesus.
The author of Luke says nothing about a believer needing to read
Matthew to obtain more accurate information about the genealogy
of Jesus or about the events of that time.
Christian:
The "biological" father of Jesus, the Holy Spirit i.e.
God, supplied the 'divine right.'
This was the plan from the beginning and is plain to see now with
20/20 hindsight.
It was both conceived and fulfilled (so far) 'immaculately' but,
you ain't seen nothing yet!
Commentary:
God told his people in his scriptural word that the expected king
Messiah was to be the paternal biological offspring of David and
Solomon.
Yet, this promise can now be bypassed by claiming that since the
Christian "Holy Spirit" did it, God's prior promises
and stipulations can be ignored.
Even though Jesus wasn't the paternal biological descendant of
David and Solomon and in fact never sat on the throne of
David, it's all been "fulfilled" anyway.
This is "so plain to see" with the 20/20 hindsight of
Christianity.
Christians like this have no problem modifying God's word, just
like they do when they insert Mary into the Luke 3
genealogy, in order to make the Bible accommodate their whims and
preferences.
Apparently they have little regard for God's clear warning to
people who rewrite his word.
Prov 30:5-6
Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put
their trust in him.
Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and
thou be found a liar.
This once again drives home the point I often make about the
Bible and believers.
The Bible and God's so-called word can and will mean anything
a believer wants it to mean.
Christian:
Where is the Jewish Messiah? Where is their King for that matter?
Commentary:
After Israel was carried off into exile, the scriptures state
that the Jews would have no king for "many days".
Hosea 3:4-5
For the children of Israel shall abide many days
without a king, and without a prince, and without a
sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and
without teraphim:
Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD
their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his
goodness in the latter days.
The Jews have no current king and haven't had one for centuries.
They expect one will arrive in the future.
Christian:
Right where the Messiah should be, at the right hand of God!
At least until He(Jesus) returns to fulfill the rest of prophecy
and to claim what has always rightfully belonged to Him, the
Throne of David which will from then, never end. Amen.
Commentary:
Jesus wasn't qualified to be a king Messiah.
He hasn't the qualifications of bloodline nor did he perform the
required functions.
Jesus never sat on the throne of David.
The throne of David is an earthly throne, not an imaginary one in
the clouds.
The Christian claim that Jesus will return to fulfill all the
things he failed to fulfill the first time is not supported by
God's word.
There is nothing in the Old Testament which states that a king
Messiah would come once, be killed, and require a second visit to
accomplish all the things he was supposed to do the first time.
A valid king Messiah will accomplish his task during his lifetime
and won't need a "second coming" to fulfill his mission
to the Jewish people.
Jer 23:5-6
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto
David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and
shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel
shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be
called, The Lord Our Righteousness.
Jesus did none of these required things "in his
days" as the prophecy requires.
Christian:
Jesus' fulfillment of the promises is what's important, not the
question of why the genealogies were included.
Commentary:
So now the genealogies aren't really important after all.
If the Bible is really God's word infallible word, then
scriptural contradictions of this magnitude shouldn't appear at
all.
Since Jesus didn't fulfill the requirements of a valid king
Messiah or fulfill the function, he is of little importance if
God's word in the Old Testament is to be taken seriously.
Footnote: Additional commentary on the Luke 3 Mary
genealogy issue is at the following page...LINK
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